Kirk Magnum wrote:Jasonlivessince1980 wrote:There is no one I am aware of, that worked on Friday the 13th part 3 that backs up Doug's claim to the hockey mask.
As we all know, Crash interviewed White a few years back and he said a few things... one, that the masks were clear plastic (true), two, that the chevrons were plastic that was glued to the mask (also true)... he also said, when shown a picture of a frighstuff mask, that the flare around the edge was inaccurate and thus it could not have been from the movie mold (any good photo of the movie mask indicates the flare is actually present). He then showed he is perfectly willing to take credit for someone else's work, telling Crash he created and applied the chevrons himself, when in Crystal Lake Memories, he attributed them to Terry Ballard (technical consultant, also plays the gray haired cop at the end). Doug was asked what color the masks were and couldn't recall, claiming "we just mixed up some paint for the right color" and made no mention of the antiquing medium that was used to achieve the crackle effect.
But there's more. Doug claimed to have made the mold himself, though in Crystal Lake Memories, Sadoff said "Marty Becker's team" (technical effects) made the molds and "Robb Wilson King made various versions of it." I've actually never heard a quote, in CLM or anywhere else, where anyone on set actually backs up White's claim to the hockey mask. Robb told me that the masks were painted and finished with a satin clear coat to prevent chipping and give the mask a slightly reflective appearance so it would look better during night time filming. He also applied what he called a "slight aged patina" to the front of the mask to make it look old and gave it a "cream color." Robb has never tried to cash in on his Friday the 13th connection.
Then there's this nonsense about the masks being painted from the back and the front being entirely clear? Do I have this right? No hock painter paints them that way. We all know the masks were painted and weathered on the front, which is very clear in any good photo of the 3 or 4 masks. When interviewed by Crash, White said the mask was clear coated with Krylon Crystal Clear (not accurate, but close), and now he is saying it was just clear plastic in front? Does somebody have a video clip of him saying this?
Doug White, of course, cannot produce a mold, and says it was stolen after 1985. When it was still in his possession, he claims he made pulls for David Miller to paint for F13 part 5. But the masks in the film all have a recast look to them, and even have the same trim as the part 4 mask (with the lower left cut further in), suggesting they were in fact recasts. The fact that the part 4 mask, seen at the end, has the snaps missing and replaced by pan head screws further bolsters the idea that the Roy was a recast of the 4, but only David Miller could answer this question for sure.
Either way, Doug White did not possess any mask molds... ReelFX, Marty Becker's company founded shortly after production on part 3 wrapped in 1982, worked on most of the films and would have provided the raw pulls for Bill Forsche, David Miller and everyone else. They very likely kept the original stunt mask from part 3 and gave it to Savini for part 4. Again, people that worked on the film could clarify a lot of this. Makeup effects guys did not make the masks... the masks were provided to the fx teams by someone else, probably ReelFX.
Doug White is responsible for a lot of the confusion surrounding the history of the hockey mask... noticeably he doesn't try to take credit for the hocks in his CLM interview. People on set all say that no one person can take credit for the mask... it was a group effort, beginning with Sadoff's street mask, Becker's team's sculpt, Robb's paint job and Ballard's chevron innovation. Doug would have you believe it was all him.
Billy, Sadoff may have been trying to cash in on his F13 connection, but it doesn't mean he inaccurately identified Robb Wilson King as the painter of the masks, particularly since Robb confirmed, and has never tried to cash in himself. I haven't blabbed to the forums that I talked to him because I'd rather people not harass him about it because of me, he doesn't seem to want much to do with Friday the 13th.
Always welcome questions, comments, etc.
I would like to interview White myself really, and ask why he is making up all this nonsense.
Have you ever actually looked at the Friday the 13th the Final Chapter transparency? Not a photo but the actual 8x10 transparency; the one without any credits on it. You can easily tell they painted the back of the mask as well. Wasn't that mask also the "Hero" mask? The shape of that mask also has no odd warp-age, dimples or indention's like the Frightstuff blanks have.
Thanks for the photo and the info. I think this is interesting...
Take it with a grain of salt, but you will note, in Crystal Lake Memories, Sadoff said he had a hockey mask on set that they put on Brooker during a makeup test. He described it as a white mask with a red stripe down the middle... I'm guessing that this is the mask he was describing, it certainly looks old. If that is true, then this was the precursor to what they later sculpted for the film. He claimed that Becker's team changed the holes around or something, but of course, the design we know is firmly rooted in the simple Jacques Plante fibrosport design of the early 70's, though this might also be a Plante, not sure.
To clarify, I never said the back of the mask was not painted... it certainly was painted white. Every hock artist knows that. I've always painted the backs of my part 3 hocks white, and the front a mustard beige color.The front of the mask was also painted, from what someone said on here Doug seemed to be saying they were not, maybe he can clarify. I'm not sure exactly which photograph/transparency you are referring to do you mean the TFC poster photo?
As far as your assessment of the shapes and idiosyncracies of the mask, I don't want to make this a "frighstuff" debate. Lets stay on topic so we don't get a mod locking this thread. I will only refer you to my analysis on this on my blog, you can see it here: http://jasonlivessince1980.blogspot.com/2010_01_01_archive.html
http://jasonlivessince1980.blogspot.com/2010_02_01_archive.html you can also see that the oddities are consistent.
And just so we're clear, the movie masks had a flare